Blue Theme Orange Theme Green Theme Red Theme
 
Home | Forums | Videos | Photos | Downloads | Blogs | E-Books | Interviews | Jobs | Beginners | Training
 | Consulting  
Submit an Article Submit a Blog 
 Login Close
User Id:
Password:
 
Forgot Password
Forgot Username
Why Register
 Jump to
Skip Navigation Links
TechnologyExpand Technology
WebsiteExpand Website
Dundas Dashboard
 Resources  
Close
 Our Network  
Close
Search :       Advanced Search »
Home » Articles » Dealing with recruiters in New York City for a .NET job.

Dealing with recruiters in New York City for a .NET job.

This article will will help you in negotiating with recruiters when landing a .NET job in New York City and point out some negotiating tricks you can watch out for.

Author Rank:
Technologies: ASP.NET 1.0,Visual C# .NET
Total downloads :
Total page views :  7430
Rating :
 5/5
This article has been rated :  2 times
   Print Read/Post comments Post a comment  Rate  
   Email to a friend  Bookmark  Similar Articles  Author's other articles  
 
Become a Sponsor


Related EbooksTop Videos

                        Edited by Nina Miller

Technology is exploding again. I am not sure if we are headed for another bubble, but the jobs for programmers are everywhere.  The supply is higher than the demand, and recruiters are trolling the waters looking for likely candidates.  Should you find yourself in a position where you have located a good .NET job that fits your talents,  but you are unsure about how to negotiate terms for your job, this job tutorial may help.

In our previous article, we talked about how recruiters will approach you and how you should negotiate with them.  I recently picked up an issue of Small Business Opportunities and read some great tips on negotiating any contract in an article called Winning Strategies, written by John Patrick Dolan.  These tips could easily be applied to a salary or rate negotiation against a very crafty recruiter.  Below are some tactics your recruiter may use on you and how to deal with them.

The Wince

Let's say you are face-to-face with the recruiter and you quote him a rate.  The recruiter then cringes or rolls his or her eyes. What do you do?  For one thing, you stick with your guns.  Recruiters will use all kinds of tricks to get their profit margin a bit higher.

Silence

A recruiter may just sit there and say nothing, waiting for you to make the first move.  Silence is the best tactic for any negotiation because it often induces the other party to speak, hence whittling away their position.  For example, you may be inclined to throw out a rate of $75/hr and then the recruiter says nothing. As the recruiter sits there silently, you play all kinds of games in your head, thinking you've asked for too much, and you bring the rate down to $70/hr.  Whenever you negotiate with recruiters, let them do the talking initially.  Remember, recruiters are salesmen and a lot of them like to talk.  Get as much information out of them as possible, and don't be afraid to ask questions, but don't show your cards until you evaluated all the available information about the contract or job.

Good Cop/Bad Cop

This tactic was only used once on me in  a recruiting situation.   A very nice recruiter ("the good cop") will bolster you up, make you feel like you're the greatest consultant in the world.  In the same room will be the bad cop.  The "bad cop" recruiter will say things like that you are not that good, we can get lots of people to fill this position.  The "good cop" will be sympathetic with you enough to make you feel like you really deserve the job, but perhaps should settle for a little less.  This technique tends to frustrate the candidate, becoming an effective strategy for the recruiter.  Don't fall for the "good cop/bad cop" routine, just ignore it so that it has no influence on your job decision.

Limited Authority

This technique is used by the recruiter in the following way:  Say you cannot settle for a rate below $75, but you really like the job.  The recruiter may say something like, "I'd love to get the client to give you more, but they just won't budge. It's out of may hands".   The client probably never said anything like this, but the recruiter will tell you they did anyway.  This technique, called "Limited Authority",  places the blame for the lower rate on the client rather than the recruiter.  One way to tackle this technique is to ask to verify this with the client.  If this is impossible, you can play the same game by pretending that you don't care what the client says and $75/hr is the only rate you can live on because your wife or husband won't settle for less.

The Red Herring

By far the lowest tactic is the red herring. This strategy focuses you on a minor issue to distract you from the more important issue of the salary or rate.  One way recruiters try to get you hooked outside the salary or rate is by presenting you with benefits and bonuses.  Although benefits can be really enticing (especially health care), you need to do the math in your head and determine how much the company is spending for you on health care + additional benefits.  If the benefits don't add up to the offered amount, consider the benefits a "red herring" to make you blind to the offer on the table.

The Trial Balloon

This is used by recruiters to get you hooked on a job, thinking that once you're in the door you'll stick around.  One trial balloon recruiters and employers are offering these days is consulting with conversion to employment.   I've been personally subjected to this one. The offer happens frequently in the financial world. The institution does not want to continue paying you a high rate, so they convert you to an employee to save the company the money. The trade-off for you is the "red herring" of benefits.  The problem with this tactic is that you, the employee, get burned with lower wages than before the conversion.

Low Balling

This is the recruiters' favorite tactic.  They hit you with a low offer, far below what the client suggested.  If you accept, then GREAT!  The recruiter just made a humongous spread at your expense.  Another trick: a recruiter will often give a range (say $45-$65/hr.) Keep in mind that the high end of the range may still be low-balling you, because the actual rate could be as high as $100/hr. Never accept a recruiter's first offer because it will always be lower than the client's suggested rate. 

The Bait and Switch

In this tactic, the recruiter advertises a great rate (such as an open rate), but when you actually talk to the recruiter, the rate is very low.  Or the recruiter may quote you a fantasic salary, but the salary is actually base + expected bonus.  This is a common method used on Wall Street.  The recruiter will tell you that you will be getting $100,000,  but actually this number is really "total package" including bonus.  Keep this in mind: a bonus is never guaranteed by the employer; the recruiter will just make you think it is.

Outrageous Behavior

Outrageous behavior can be described as behavior by the recruiter that you would find upsetting.  This can include an angry fit by the recruiter or crying, making you feel bad that you are asking for too much.  Although I don't think I ever personally encountered this with a recruiter,  I wouldn't put it past them.  Just ignore the behavior, and realize that it's simply a trick.

The Written Contract

Even after you work out the rate or salary with the recruiter, don't assume everything is fixed until you get the contract.   Also realize that you can change anything you want in the contract that you don't like.  Many candidates are afraid of contracts and just sign on the bottom line.  Read it carefully, have a lawyer read it, and make appropriate changes.  I find that recruiters will often hand you the contract and try to get you to sign it right away in their office.  Simply tell them that your lawyer needs to read it (refer back  to the "Limited Authority" section) and that you are unable to sign it otherwise.

Conclusion

The New York job world is a jungle, and inside the jungle roams the crafty recruiter.  Keep a look out for the guerrilla tactics used by recruiters and you may survive landing your next .NET job with a positive outcome.


Login to add your contents and source code to this article
 [Top] Rate this article
 About the author
 
Mike Gold
Michael Gold is President of Microgold Software Inc., makers of the WithClass UML Tool. His company is a Microsoft VBA Partner and Borland Partner. Mike is a Microsoft MVP and founding member of C# Corner. He has a BSEE and MEng EE from Cornell University and has consulted for Chase Manhattan Bank, JP Morgan, Merrill Lynch, and Charles Schwab. Currently he is a senior developer at Finisar Corp. He has been involved in several .NET book projects, and is currently working on a book for using .NET with embedded systems. He can be reached at mike@c-sharpcorner.com
Looking for C# Consulting?
C# Consulting is founded in 2002 by the founders of C# Corner. Unlike a traditional consulting company, our consultants are well-known experts in .NET and many of them are MVPs, authors, and trainers. We specialize in Microsoft .NET development and utilize Agile Development and Extreme Programming practices to provide fast pace quick turnaround results. Our software development model is a mix of Agile Development, traditional SDLC, and Waterfall models.
Click here to learn more about C# Consulting.
 
Introducing MaxV - one click. infinite control. Hyper-V Hosting from MaximumASP.
Finally – a virtual platform that delivers next-generation Windows Server 2008 Hyper-V virtualization technology from a managed hosting partner you can truly depend on. Visit www.maximumasp.com/max for a FREE 30 day trial. Hurry offer ends soon. Climb aboard the MaxV platform and take advantage of High Availability, Intelligent Monitoring, Recurrent Backups, and Scalability – with no hassle or hidden fees. As a managed hosting partner focused solely on Microsoft technologies since 2000, MaximumASP is uniquely qualified to provide the superior support that our business is built on. Unparalleled expertise with Microsoft technologies lead to working directly with Microsoft as first to offer IIS 7 and SQL 2008 betas in a hosted environment; partnering in the Go Live Program for Hyper-V; and product co-launches built on WS 2008 with Hyper-V technology.
Dynamic PDF
ceTE software specializes in components for dynamic PDF generation and manipulation. The DynamicPDF™ product line allows you to dynamically generate PDF documents, merge PDF documents and new content to existing PDF documents from within your applications.
Go.NET
Build custom interactive diagrams, network, workflow editors, flowcharts, or software design tools. Includes many predefined kinds of nodes, links, and basic shapes. Supports layers, scrolling, zooming, selection, drag-and-drop, clipboard, in-place editing, tooltips, grids, printing, overview window, palette. 100% implemented in C# as a managed .NET Control. Document/View/Tool architecture with many properties&events. Optional automatic layout.
Dundas Software
Dundas Chart for .NET is the most advanced .NET charting package available today.  With an extremely complete feature set, elegant architecture and easy implementation, Dundas Chart can quickly add advanced Charting functionality to enhance and transform ASP.NET and Windows Forms applications.  Whether you are implementing charting into internal projects, or building applications for clients, Dundas Chart offers advanced technology and advanced results to get the most out of data.
Clickatell's SMS Gateway
Clickatell's Developer Solutions allow you to SMS enable any website or application via a range of API's. Learn More about our API connections.
Free access to .NET Memory Management video
Everything you need to know about Garbage Collection, Temporary Objects, Fragmentation, Finalization and common causes of memory leaks in .NET. Watch the video here.
Microsoft Visual Studio 2010
Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 offers more to developers than any other Visual Studio release. Work more productively and collaboratively-with greater control over your work at every step. The Beta 2 can give you a head start on achieving efficiency.
 
   Print Read/Post comments Post a comment  Rate  
   Email to a friend  Bookmark  Similar Articles  Author's other articles  
 
 Post a Feedback, Comment, or Question about this article
Subject:  
Comment:  
Become a Sponsor
 Comments

 Hosted by MaximumASP  |  Found a broken link?  |  Contact Us  |  Terms & conditions  |  Privacy Policy  |  Site Map  |  Suggest an Idea  |  Media Kit
Current Version: 5.2009.6.2
 © 1999 - 2009  Mindcracker LLC. All Rights Reserved